Arx Libertatis Bug Tracker ~ [OPEN] #281 - All Ratmen are invulnerable

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OPEN Bug report #281 - All Ratmen are invulnerable

Posted Jun 17, 2012 - updated Jul 17, 2025 Shortlink: http://arx.vg/281

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HelenWong (HelenWong) has been working on this issue since January 08, 2015 (22:21)

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I noticed first in the dirt tunnels of level 6 that there was a Ratman prowling, and that whenever it attacked, no amount of damage would kill it; I thought it was just glitched, but later when I entered the Ratmen lair, I discovered that none of the Ratmen could be killed ~and I mean that you could hit them with twenty fireballs, they don't die.

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There are no steps to reproduce this that I know of... Unless it is by some means a conditional result of how I played the game, but all you see is that the Ratmen (all of them) are immortal/indestructible in my game.

I can upload my saved game if needed. I'm guessing that since I did not see this issue in the bug reports, that it's not common?

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Comment posted by

Mechanaut

Jun 17, 04:55

I have made a video recording of this bug in action, and could upload it if needed.

Funny Update: Not ten minutes after I filed this report, I reloaded and tried again to kill a Ratman; I used the Harm spell, and after a while it died. This is still a bug, just a strange one. There is still the one in the Lvl6 tunnels ~I hit it with spells for 10 minutes and it's still there prowling around, and attacks whenever I pass near it.

So is it possible that the Ratmen are regenerating health really ("game breakingly") fast?

Comment posted by

Daniel Scharrer

Jun 18, 00:12

Strange, with 42 Casting + 10 Mental one fireball is usually enough to kill a ratman, and with 60 Close combat + 18 Strength i'm able to kill them by sword without too much problems. Is you character much lower-leveled than this?

The ratmen temporarily turn themselves invulnerable as part of their teleport attack, maybe something went wrong there. I can't find anything about the them regenerating health in the scripts, but most of them respawn a few times when the player enters the level.

The one in level 6 (ratman_base_0024) is supposed to teleport away after his health drops below 75/100 for the first time and then only reappear once the player is far enough along the main quest.

That savegame could definitely help in finding out what went wrong.

Comment posted by

Mechanaut

Jun 18, 01:03, in reply to comment #2

'''Daniel Scharrer wrote:'''
>The ratmen temporarily turn themselves invulnerable as part of their
>teleport attack, maybe something went wrong there.

That sounds like it could be it.

That savegame could definitely help in finding out what went wrong.

I don't see how to upload here, but here is a link to the save game, and a link to the video.

https://rapidshare.com/files/3556566029/arx_ratmen-clip.avi

https://rapidshare.com/files/3387141775/save0001.zip

The Ratman clip was recorded yesterday; when I reloaded the level and tried again, the Ratmen I encountered died from the Harm spell. So I went to level 6 and tried the same on the Ratman there, but he took the hits (reacted by running around in circles), but did not die. Occasionally the Ratmen that won't die will revert to their idle animation for a while (ignoring the player and the constant damage they are taking).

I noticed that the Ratman on level six was also labeled as 'poisoned 10'.

Incidentally... I noticed when I made this video, that the Harm spell that I cast was not draining any mana; and indeed seemed indefinite.

Comment posted by

Mechanaut

Jun 18, 07:54

I recall having attacked the ratman many times with a poisoned weapon.

Comment posted by

Daniel Scharrer

Jun 28, 11:12

I've opened a separate bug for the harm spell: Feature request 307 - Increase mana cost of the Harm spell

Comment posted by

Daniel Scharrer

Jun 29, 02:59

Another question: did you start the game with the fully patched data (1.21) + AL or initially played with an older version or the demo and only then switched on AL?

For myself or anyone wanting to work on this, this is the invulnerable ratman's state according to arxsavetool:

And global script variables:

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Another question: did you start the game with the fully patched data (1.21) + AL or initially played with an older version or the demo and only then switched on AL?

For myself or anyone wanting to work on this, this is the invulnerable ratman's state according to arxsavetool:
<source>
Type: NPC
Filename: "graph/obj3d/interactive/npc/ratman_base/ratman_base.teo"
Instance: 24
Flags: npc invulnerability no_physics_interpol
Position: (5125.71, 1299.79, 6625.78) initial: (5166.76, 1299.8, 6547.97)
Movement: (0.441222, 0, -2.37674)
Angle: (0, 190.517, 0) initial: (0, -72, 0)
Scale: 0.95
Weight: 1
Name: description_ratman = "A rat-man."
Game flags: interactivity isintreatzone wasintreatzone hideweapon
Material: Flesh
Level: 5 true level: 5
Show: in scene
Target: none
Runes to draw: (none) (none) (none) (none)
Spell flags: noanim nomana forced
Spell level: 1
Spell duration: 3000
Poisonous: 10
Poisonous count: -1
Step material: foot_stealth
Armor material: leather
Ignition: -0.0655064

Animations:
  - wait: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_wait.tea"
  - walk: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_run.tea"
  - action: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_appears.tea"
  - action2: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_misc_jumpback_intro.tea"
  - action3: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_defend_left.tea"
  - hit1: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_receive_damage.tea"
  - die: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_death.tea"
  - run: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_run_fast.tea"
  - action4: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_defend_right.tea"
  - action5: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_suriken.tea"
  - dagger_ready_part_1: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_ready_knife_start.tea"
  - dagger_ready_part_2: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_ready_knife_end.tea"
  - dagger_unready_part_1: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_unready_knife_start.tea"
  - dagger_unready_part_2: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_unready_knife_end.tea"
  - dagger_wait: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_wait_toponly.tea"
  - dagger_strike_left_start: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_attack_left_start.tea"
  - dagger_strike_left_cycle: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_attack_left_cycle.tea"
  - dagger_strike_left: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_attack_left_strike.tea"
  - dagger_strike_right_start: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_attack_right_start.tea"
  - dagger_strike_right_cycle: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_attack_right_cycle.tea"
  - dagger_strike_right: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_attack_left_strike.tea"
  - dagger_strike_top_start: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_attack_left_start.tea"
  - dagger_strike_top_cycle: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_attack_left_cycle.tea"
  - dagger_strike_top: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_attack_right_strike.tea"
  - dagger_strike_bottom_start: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_attack_right_start.tea"
  - dagger_strike_bottom_cycle: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_attack_right_cycle.tea"
  - dagger_strike_bottom: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_attack_right_strike.tea"
  - fight_walk_forward: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_walk.tea"
  - fight_walk_backward: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_walk_back.tea"
  - fight_strafe_right: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_strafe_right.tea"
  - fight_strafe_left: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_strafe_left.tea"
  - fight_wait: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_wait.tea"
  - walk_sneak: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_walk.tea"
  - grunt: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_fight_grunt.tea"
  - hit_short: "graph/obj3d/anims/npc/ratman_hit_short.tea"

Animation layer #0:
  Current animation: walk
  Flags: loop

Physics:
  Stopped: 1
  Cylinder: origin=(5125.71, 1299.79, 6625.78) radius=28.5 height=-123.5
  Start position: (5125.71, 1299.79, 6625.78)
  Target position: (5125.71, 1299.79, 6625.78)
  Original radius: 30
  Original height: -130

Timer #0:
  Flags: idle
  Script: base
  Milliseconds: 2000
  Name: main
  Position: 22818
  Time: 1392

Timer #1:
  Flags: idle
  Script: base
  Milliseconds: 8000
  Name: miscreflection
  Position: 35510
  Time: 5040

Timer #2:
  Flags: idle
  Script: overriding
  Milliseconds: 1000
  Name: check
  Position: 598
  Time: 296

Base script:
  Variables:
    l teleportmode = 3
    l teleporttime = 2000
    l stolen_gold = 61
    s telmarker1 = "marker_0642"
    s telmarker2 = "marker_0643"
    s telmarker3 = "marker_0644"
    s telmarker4 = "marker_0645"
    l telnum = 4
    l player_enemy_send = 1
    l last_call_help = 86370
    s attached_object = "none"
    l special_attack = 1
    l sleeping = 0
    l care_about_mice = 0
    l main_behavior_stacked = 1
    l reflection_mode = 0
    l player_in_sight = 0
    l noise_heard = 4
    l looking_for = 0
    l fighting_mode = 0
    s last_heard = "player"
    l snd_tim = 86368
    l ouch_tim = 0
    l saved_reflection = 0
    l frozen = 0
    l spoted = 1
    l chatpos = 0
    l targ = 0
    s targeted_mice = "nomouse"
    s helping_target = "nofriend"
    s key_carried = "nokey"
    s targeted_door = "nodoor"
    l spell_ready = 1
    s helping_buddy = "nobuddy"
    l last_reflection = 86381
    s init_marker = "none"
    s friend = "ratmen"
    l door_locked_attempt = 0
    l enemy = 1
    l panicmode = 1
    l tactic = 1
    l current_tactic = 1
    l cowardice = 8
    l confusability = 5
    l pain = 2
    l low_life_alert = 10
    s type = "ratmen"
    l first_death = 1
    l scale = 95
    s hail = "[ratman_threat]"
    s thief = "[]"
    s strike = "[]"
    s victory = "[]"
    s whogoesthere = "[]"
    s heardnoise = "[]"
    s back2guard = "[]"
    s misc = "[]"
    s threat = "[ratman_threat]"
    s search = "[]"
    s youmad = "[]"
    s dying = "[ratman_die]"
    s ouch = "[ratman_ouch]"
    s ouch_medium = "[ratman_ouchm]"
    s ouch_strong = "[ratman_ouchs]"
    s help = "[]"
    s comeback = "[]"
    s justyouwait = "[]"
    l stealed_gold = 0
    l ignorefailure = 0
    l next_teleport = 37137
    s tmp = "marker_0645"
    l controls_off = 0

NPC Data:
  Absorption: 30
  Aim time: 300
  Armor class: 30
  Behavior: wander_around
  Behavior parameter: 300
  Damages: 10
  Weapon: dagger_assassin_0010 = "A dagger (unidentified)." (Item)
  Life: 32.0275 / 100
  Mana: 10 / 10
  Movement mode: walking
  To hit: 80
  Weapon type: weapon dagger
  XP: 1600

Stacked behavior #0:
    Behavior: friendly
    Behavior parameter: 0
    Tactics: none
    Movement mode: no movement

Animation layer #0:
      Next animation: wait
      Current animation: wait

Animation layer #1:
      Next animation: wait
      Current animation: wait

Animation layer #2:
      Next animation: wait
      Current animation: wait

Animation layer #3:
      Next animation: wait
      Current animation: wait

Stacked target #0: player
  Critical: 5
  Reach: 20
  Backstab skill: 70
  Resist poison: 50
  Resist magic: 10
  Resist fire: 10
  Strike time: -10120
  Aiming time: 85614840
  Detect: 40
  Blood color: (229, 25, 25)

Inventory:
  Size: 3x11
  (empty)

IO groups: ratmen
</source>

And global script variables:
<source>

Variables:
  l debug = 0
  l shut_up = 0
  l guitar_player_dead = 0
  l gob_jail_dead = 0
  l gingle_played = 1
  l iserbius_dead = 0
  l snake_dead = 1
  l secret_passage_temple = 1
  l talked_2ortiern = 2
  l krahoz_zohark_on = 2
  l assassin_killed = 0
  l drunk = 0
  l king_dead = 0
  l air_clan_dead = 1
  l forbiden_shop1 = 1
  l forbiden_shop2 = 1
  l forbiden_shop3 = 1
  l forbiden_shop4 = 1
  l forbiden_shop5 = 1
  l alia_destiny = 0
  l alia_free = 2
  l alia_dead = 0
  l amulet_identified = 0
  l bag = 3
  l bank_stollen = 0
  l bones_in_tomb = 0
  l carlo_introduced = 1
  l cinematics = 0
  l crypt_l21_open = 1
  l dead_hermit_quest = 0
  l dissident_enemy = 0
  l dissident = 0
  l dragon_egg = 0
  l finance = 1
  l falan_key = 1
  l weapon_enchanted_equiped = 0
  l weapon_enchanted = 0
  l gambling = 0
  l garlic_eaten = 0
  l guardpost_stuck = 0
  l helped_kultar = 2
  l intro_played = 1
  l kingdom_enemy = 0
  l know_club = 0
  l krahoz_free = 1
  l krahoz_stolen = 0
  l look_for_shany = 3
  l need_dragon_egg = 1
  l need_form = 2
  l need_krahoz = 2
  l need_shield = 1
  l need_superweapon = 1
  l need_zohark = 2
  l negate = 0
  l oliver_quest = 4
  l player_knows_password = 2
  l player_on_quest = 7
  l polsius_signed = 1
  l polsius_tavern = 1
  l nobadge = 0
  l poxsellis_helmet_on = 1
  l queen_quest = 2
  l repel = 0
  l rinco_dead = 0
  l read_book = 0
  l cine_sylib = 1
  l seen_bank_key = 0
  l shield_elder_retrieved = 2
  l snake_enemy = 0
  l snake_teleport0 = 1
  l snake_teleport1 = 1
  l snake_teleport11 = 1
  l snake_teleport18 = 1
  l snake_teleport2 = 1
  l snake_teleport3 = 1
  l snake_teleport5 = 1
  l snake_teleport6 = 1
  l snake_teleport7 = 0
  l skip_cinematic = 0
  l statue_destroyed = 1
  l statue_touched = 1
  l superweapon = 0
  l talked2greu = 3
  l treasure_gob_found = 0
  l troll_amulet = 0
  l troll_enemy = 0
  l troll_quest = 3
  l trollhero = 1
  l tutorial_magic = 12
  l tutorial_scroll = 2
  l twin_secret_discovered = 0
  l water_clan_dead = 1
  l secretl17_open = 0
  l zalnashh_dead = 0
  s superweapon_id = "noweapon"
  l level_up = 2
  s tmp = "none"
  f tmp = 0
  l tmp = 11
  l keypressed = 2
  l keypressed_intro = 2
  l fading = 0
  l doneb = 1
  l donea = 1
  l calpale_dead = 0
  l gobcode1 = 6
  l gobcode2 = 5
  l gobcode3 = 9
  l gobcode4 = 9
  s type = "chest"
  l tafiok_dead = 0
  l carlo_rituals = 1
  s temp = "forbiden_shop1"
  l shopping = 1
  l shopkeeperalive = 1
  l cinematic = 2
  l wheel1 = 0
  l krahoz_on = 1
  l player_knows_ylsides = 1
  l carlo_in_jail = 1
</source>

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Comment posted by

Mechanaut

Jul 05, 11:42, in reply to comment #6

I started a brand new game once I installed AL. The version of Arx Fatalis that I used for the resource files is the GoG version.

Daniel Scharrer wrote:

Another question: did you start the game with the fully patched data (1.21)
+ AL or initially played with an older version or the demo and only then
switched on AL?